Hi, thanks to everyone who has helped so far with my many questions. We will be hiring a jeep for 1 day in Death Valley in late October (one day all we can afford as $$$$!!!). We are staying in a small RV 22' and will see all the main sites from that (having nearly 4 days in totoal)- checked road restrictions and our width comes under that which some roads dont allow so ok there. My problem is trying to plan a feasible route which best utilises our rather pricey jeep hire. We will be picking it up from Furnace Creek. We definitely want to include Titus Canyon (top priority) and whilst doing that will probably check out Rhyolite. I would also like to do the Devils Racetrack - is that feasible to do both in same day? I was also looking at Twenty Mule Team Canyon road... but wonder if im just going way beyond what we can accomplish in a day?? Can anyone comment on road conditions in October. I see there are 2 feasible routes into the racetrack area - is either better then the other? Is a loop feasible (from memory racetrack road from ubhebe crater and down hidden canyon road to panamint springs) looks like a long way but not much longer than doubling back on yourself! We will have two small children but they travel well so as long as frequent breaks should be happy to go with the flow. I would say we are moderate 4WD'ers - we own a Toyota Landcruiuser and lived in it for 6 months - have done a reasonable amount of sand driving. I DO NOT want to do any difficult drives as having the kids in the car makes me to nervous if there are dropoffs or any risk of us getting stranded or toppling = me freaking out. We have been to Death Valley before so know weather conditions, wildlife, water needs and all the rest of it - we have never driven off road there though and are clueless about conditions in that area. Thanks in advance.