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duty free?

Hi, Iv been asked to bring back cigarettes for a friend can anyone tell me if im better buying them in the town/supermarket or at the airport on the way home? Im a non smoker so not sure on this?

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11. Re: duty free?

In fact the "recommended limits" for the transit of tobaccos and liquors across most EU borders is in contravention of the EU treaty. This is why UK Customs use the word "recommended". But yes, anyone taking more than 1000 or so is clearly in a position where they could be trading these goods for profit.

"Duty Free" is the wrong way to describe this trade as it is not duty free or tax free anywhere in the EU, regardless of what the airports may say. In Spain, a retailer needs to have an "Estanco" license to sell tobaccos. In the airport the supposed "duty free arrival shops" do not have an Estanco license, this is why they do not sell tobaccos.... Aldeasa got one for outbound "duty free sales" some years ago as it was given to them to allow them to sell tax-paid cigarettes to EU travellers.

How do I know this? I worked in the the tobacco business for many years, including in Spain.

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On the contrary Mark, HMRC's current guidelines as to the levels above which they may be concerned that the goods imported may be for commercial gain are exactly those laid down by the European Commission in 2011, the UK is not the only country to operate these (Ireland, France, Denmark and Sweden do so too).

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WOW !

Sorry guys for causing this drama !

1st of all, thanx for the info. I just wanted to know where was the best price to buy 200 fags lol , I know the restrictions about taking for other people but it was a prezzie so just needed to know where is my cheapest place to buy from!

cheers Karen

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No drama at all Karen, it's a subject that always causes a bit of to and fro! You'll be fine with one carton, the prices are controlled so any Tabac will do (but the airport is more expensive as has been said)

For those who persist in arguing HMRC are acting outside their remit have a look at EU Council Directive 92/12/EEC Article 9 (as amended in 2011) where these guidelines for national governments on quantities considered not to be of commercial volumes are quite clear:

http://tinyurl.com/bwedckh

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perfect!

just really to get a heads up on the best place to buy , so thanx for all posts .

K

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No Soy you miss the point, the reason why the duty free business was abolished by the EU many years ago is because it was not deemed as consistent with the free and open movement of goods within the EU. Likewise the (excise) duties and taxes were meant to be harmonised by all the EU members to deliberately remove the problems in relation to price differentials in the goods. But, it never happened and so the Duty Free business abolished by Commissioner Mario Monte, the current un-elected PM of Italy, abolished the business under this pretext.

What ensued was chaos due to price differentials due to different taxes and exchange rates, especially with Britain and Ireland and especially France. So, the "recommended" arrangement was introduced as a ham-fisted way around what the EU never did properly int he first place.... harmonise the duties.

Just another example of the stupidity of the EU and then their ham fisted attempts to manipulate the law to cover up their original ineptitude.

These are the facts.

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Your version of the facts Mark? The guidelines state 800 cigs. If they are confiscated to argue the points you raise in a court, to try to recover the cigs, costs £1500 if you lose as you have to pay HMRC costs. Stated in a leaflet that they give out on confiscation. You also have to pay your own costs. Hardly worth pursuing. A google search reveals over 90% of such appeals are unsuccessful. The facts from one who had 5000 Regal King Size confiscated under the "old" guidance rules of 3200.

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