We noticed that you're using an unsupported browser. The TripAdvisor website may not display properly.We support the following browsers:
Windows: Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome. Mac: Safari.

Poker Question

Which Las Vegas hotels are on sale?
mm/dd/yyyy mm/dd/yyyy
See hotels
Philadelphia...
Level Contributor
8,557 posts
9 reviews
Save Topic
Poker Question

I have observed that a lot of people say limit cash games are the hardest form of Texas Hold 'Em to play.

Why is that?

I think NL is the hardest since it attracts the widest range of yahoos. Same with tournaments until you get down to the last 2 or so tables.

Someone enlighten me, please.

Hatfield, United...
Level Contributor
633 posts
140 reviews
Save Reply
1. Re: Poker Question

Limit is a specalist game, its almost impossible to raise people out of the game, like no limit. People will have a look at a flop against a raiser with almost any 2 cards, then your premium hand is crushed by any 2 and the pots then build up.

I have won some smaller tournaments in Vegas but never finished up on a session of limit poker, of course that might just be me :0)

California
Destination Expert
for Las Vegas
Level Contributor
41,881 posts
4 reviews
Save Reply
2. Re: Poker Question

I'm not sure I agree, but I think I know why. In limit poker you are rewarded by playing correctly more often. Because you only win or lose a certain amount on each hand, every bet becomes magnified in importance. One of the great skills in limit poker is learning how to limit the number of bets on hands you lose, and of course increase the number of bets on those you win. Because every bet is the same amount they all become equally as important. In many ways playing limit poker is about limiting your number of losing bets.

In NL poker the object is really to maximize the size of the pots you win and minimize those you lose. You don't have to win the most hands---or play the most hands correctly---you just have to win or lose the right pots. And a couple of big winning hands can determine your outcome. You can't normally do this in limit poker, so your play has to be consistantly better in order to prevail.

California
Destination Expert
for Las Vegas
Level Contributor
41,881 posts
4 reviews
Save Reply
3. Re: Poker Question

HatfieldBandit: You have to stop equating "no foldem holdem" with limit poker. You are confusing Low Limit Poker, with Limit Poker. You have to get away from the $2-$4 limits. I freely admit that I am not a good enough player to succeed in these games, so I avoid them.

"People will have a look at a flop against a raiser with almost any 2 cards"

We have a name for these players, they are called losers.

Game selection is probably the most important skill for being a successful poker player. You have to find the game that is right for you.

Edited: 1:21 pm, March 23, 2013
Baltimore
Level Contributor
1,318 posts
1 review
Save Reply
4. Re: Poker Question

The thing about Limit Poker as touched on above is that some people will stay in all the way to the River no matter what just to see what comes up. So then they "Suck Out" and beat you! Not all the time but I've seen it happen enough. One guy told me once that "You have to be there till the End.".

Edited: 4:05 pm, March 23, 2013
Jupiter, Florida
Level Contributor
5 posts
6 reviews
Save Reply
5. Re: Poker Question

Don't you want people hanging around to the river hoping to "suck out"? Yes, it's frustrating when someone comes from behind to beat you, but if you're ahead you generally want people betting along with you rather than folding.

Omaha, Nebraska
Destination Expert
for Las Vegas
Level Contributor
8,186 posts
21 reviews
Save Reply
6. Re: Poker Question

Tournaments r more volatile overall but I love the nuances of the game...cash games r more of a grind for me.

Have played some low level limit & just found it frustrating.... Rarely did the best hand preflop win since it seems so cheap to call. Perhaps it is a purer game at higher limits.

Personally I find NL to work fine for me. I am relatively conservative but read players well so do pretty well overall

Hatfield, United...
Level Contributor
633 posts
140 reviews
Save Reply
7. Re: Poker Question

Ktinca, you're right, which is why I now play tournaments with more success, on my last trip played 2 won 2 :0)

United States
Level Contributor
18,381 posts
20 reviews
Save Reply
8. Re: Poker Question

Limit is a grind and boring and I always think of it as poker for beginners.

Sacramento...
Destination Expert
for Sacramento
Level Contributor
1,708 posts
59 reviews
Save Reply
9. Re: Poker Question

Well...limit poker is.....noting like any other form of poker. To compare it to MTT or No Limit is folly.

It only compares with starting hand selection. and YES-- if. f'instance, you look down at 10-6 offsuit from the small blind in a 3-6 limit game, and six people have limped in-- you do come in, since your $2.00 completion bet now has you, the BigBlind and six others for a 24.00 pot pre-flop. You are getting 12-1 odds on this call, so you make it. The small-blind player probably has 8.5% equity in this unraised pot, so you make the call. My point is, in limit poker, the situational mathematics is the overriding consideration in whether to play, fold or raise.

A big pot at the end, say, in 3-6 limit that contains over $75, you MUST play a gutshot straight draw to the river. Holding 10-9off, you have a board of 8-6-2-K rainbow, you check and call for $6.00 for that gutshot 7. Why, because you are getting that 12-1 pot odds to call, and there are four sevens to draw to in the deck of 46 unseen cards. ( 4/46= 11.5) Limit is all about math, correct pot odds and the correct play that will pay off in the longterm. Sure, its tight math, having 0.5-1 edge to make a call, but entire casinos have been built by people exploiting these edges, over time.

Math, # of outs, putting the other player on a hand- master these concepts and you will be a winner at limit hold'em. Best book I've read on this is Miller/Malmuth/Skalnsky- Small Stakes Hold'em (2+2 Publishing). Mason Malmuth has called the old 40-80 Limit hold'em game at Bellagio the toughest limit game in the world.

Omaha, Nebraska
Destination Expert
for Las Vegas
Level Contributor
8,186 posts
21 reviews
Save Reply
10. Re: Poker Question

Dave u explain it well...and exactly why so many call. I get the math. Perhaps I need to try to at a bigger limit game longer. But my NL strategies would need adjusting..