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Protein shakes?

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Protein shakes?

Hi, any ideas on where you can buy meal replacement protein shakes in bali? Thanks

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11. Re: Protein shakes?

If you carry the stuff in make sure you declare it as a "food" on your arrivals form.

Be cautious of food-suppliment powders that include Whey protein.

Whey is a by-product of industrial food processing practices, principally the dairy industry.

Quite a few years ago someone in the dairy industry had a moment of inspiration.

Rather than paying high environmental levies to deal with Whey the industry devised a way to re-cycle it back into processed food as a 'source of protein'.

So it started turning up in biscuits, breads, baked products, and many other foods.

Bizarrely it was added to fruit juice and sold as being a healthier alternative to the unadulterated juice. It also makes an appearance in health foods and body building or bulking 'foods' rather than being carted out of the dairy processing facility in a toxic waste tanker.

So instead of attracting fines and EPA style toxic dumping levies it became a saleable 'commodity' as a 'food' ingredient.

Whey is non-fermentable, thats why after separating it from the Curds cheese manufactures don't really want it any more frontiersman.com/news/state-creamery-is-whey…

Most producers used to just pump it into a creek or river to get rid of it, some likely still do, but that process started started to upset people a few years ago, especially when the fish started dying.

Fish don't like Whey.

So some smart thinkers in the Dairy processing industry took use rights for disposal on agricultural land.

The milk and cheese processing industry has needed quite considerable land use rights for disposal as various environmental agencies set limits per acre/hectare as a waste disposal limitation for environmental contamination reasons.

Some Whey is used as feedstock and cycled back into the system as a feedstock supplement. However that has issues as the animals get sick if they consume to much of the stuff as it does not digest well.

It was a stroke of genius turning a toxic waste problem into a cheap product to sell into the food industry as a 'protein' bulker.

Realising Whey was a protein, the dairy industry soon caught on in mass and started selling Whey as a "Protein" stock to the processed food industry.

Soon we had many products with "added protein' on the supermarket shelves.

The consumer then became the method of disposal and everyone was happy. Some actualy paid more for the products containing Whey as they were marketed a 'healthy' and 'natural' products.

No more environmental waste disposal levies and EPA fines, less risk of polluted waterways and agricultural land. Instead the by-product became a bankable commodity in the processed food sector.

Whey has become a cheap substitute for much more expensive whole milk powder, and can still be listed as a "protein" in the product's ingredients list.

Whey is essentially bovine blood proteins; serum albumen, lactalbumen and dead white blood cells, it will likely include hormonal residues such as estrogen and progesterone.

As for Whey, consider whether it really is digestible, or are you just helping out the food processing industry by taking it off their hands and disposing of it for them.

There have been lots of ingenious, methods devised to legally dispose of Whey, including spraying it upon roadways as a 'de-icer'. …cbslocal.com/2012/…

The most ingenious of all has been burying it in processed foods and calling it a Protein supplement.

When in Bali perhaps explore some of the food alternatives that offer up proteins in a tradition food setting, it may provide some pleasant surprises.

Maybe consider leaving this protein powder at home unless you are very sure of it's virtues. Maybe you already know all this, but many people are unaware of it so perhaps it is beneficial to bring it up here. I hope it is at least of interest.

Edited: 6:00 am, February 11, 2013
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12. Re: Protein shakes?

Having given Whey products such a dressing down perhaps some comments should also be thrown in on Soy, especially the industrial grade soy protein isolate (SPI).

Kedelai (soybeans) http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedelai are viewed as a source of protein.

Tofu (tahu) and Tempe are both made from Kedelai, tempe is of course a fermented form, as is the fermented Miso popular in Korea and Japan.

Roasted and then ground the soybean can provide a quite appealing home made version of a soy powder food supplement, and at a relatively minuscule price.

Do be aware of the applicable cautions toward the use of unfermented Soy products in other than limited quantities.

As with its dairy derived industry cousin, Soy has it's own set of 'issues', especially in it's industrial processed form of soy protein isolate (SPI).

Soy 'miik' is also available in Bali, but often hard to find it for sale in an unsweetened form.

Soy milk is commonly available as by-product from the making of Tofu (Tahu), in an industrial context it is called soy protein isolate.

Anyone who has made Tofu themselves will be familiar with this 'milk' outcome.

Likewise anyone who has made some Cheese themselves will readily understand the Curds and the Whey that are produced.

The making of Tofu is in many aspects similar to the processes involved in making milk into cheese in the dairy industry.

Soy milk from Tofu (Tohu) production is the watery liquid left after adding a coagulant such as Calcium chloride or Magnesium chloride to the liquid derived from a cooked soy bean mash.

In an industrial setting the soy protein isolate (SPI) derived from soy beans has many uses, including the manufacture of fire fighting foam, cardboard and paper manufacturing. It is used extensively in the processed food industry.

Soy milk, and a Soy drink made from powdered Soybean are quite different things.

Some Soy drink products may be a combination of both.

The multitude of variable in Soy proteins are far to complex to go into here, however it is worthwhile looking at exactly how, and in what form the Soy protein has arrived into a health supplement due to the wide range of variables present in the Soy processing industry.

With Soy, also be cautious concerning the source, though that is most uncertain in many settings in Bali and Lombok you can by the beans in their pods as a 'fresh' market item. As always, looking to the source id the key to the matter.

A lot of the world's Soy crop now comes from agribusiness suppliers who have embraced GM and pesticide use with some vigour.

Unfermented Soy products, including Tofu are likely to bear enzyme inhibitors.

These may 'block' the uptake of essential minerals in the digestive process, lead to reduced protein digestion and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. Hence Miso, Tempe Soy sauce and similar products are more desirable. Intestinal disfunction can be an outcome of consumption.

A lot of the traditional nutrients may have left the room in the industrial processes, leaving only the 'proteins' sought for industrial classification. Soy protein isolate (SPI) is not a Soy bean, it a product derived from Soybeans. This article has an outline of Soy benefits, and Soy detriments... drmcdougall.com/misc/…050400pusoy.htm

The whole issue of both Soy and Whey use in processed foods is riddled with anomalies as research only provides the answer to the question asked, and the agribusiness and processed food industry are powerful manipulators of research programs and food industry legislation processes.

Soy has also been captured in the 'cholesterol' myth building processes relentlessly exploited by the food processing industry.

If consuming soy it may be a better strategy to stick with fermented soy products like Miso, Tempe.

Tofu (Tahu) should also not be overlooked in favour of an industrial grade alternative that turns up as a food industry additive. However high levels of Tofu consumption has caveats. Tohu is available as a post-fermented product (pickled).

As normal, whole food sources and bio-availablity is essential to the issue.

Whole foods are likely a better alternative to these products.

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