Ger to Ger Ulaanbaataar review

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Hello,

I initially found it hard to see any reviews on ger to ger before booking and doing a trip with them, so thought that I should write some information on the 12 day ger to ger horse treking trip that my partner and I did in August 2011.

In a nut shell:

- it was by far the best trip we have EVER done!

- it was difficult and managing the horse took time and patience (this was aided by a Canadian couple we went with who had previous experience of riding - invaluable on this kind of trip)

- our guides did not speak english (as warned by ger to ger) however we communicated everything that was needed in signs, through our language book, and by straight up learning mongolian for, spoon, fire, wood, horse, water, camp....etc etc. They were very good guides, caring and fun to spend time with.

-Learned quickly to"let go" of western standards - times of camp (we get there when we get there), worries about food, and so on. You have to just go with the flow.

- Yes the sales patter was good and the staff (prior to sale!) were much more friendly and welcoming than on our return (only complaint - was that we werent asked upon return to ger to ger when we collected our bagage - even a simple "so how did you enjoy the trip" - a small niggle i know but feedback is feedback.)

- Our trip was modified due to the weather...having already gone across one bog which nearly swallowed our pack horse the guides used their experience to take us a different route. Much prefered to loosing our belongings, and sensible.

A few points if you consider doing this trip or one similar:

- horses are big animals and take time to ride well, so read up before you go it will help.

- wear boots or buy some (in UB) shin protectors - our guides lent us some but this is not always available.

- take plently of snacks (helps when inbetween camps)

- take a trowl - digging your own pit toilet is necessary when miles from anyone or anything

- leave your expectations at home and have a big sense of adventure...your going to need it.

oh. also if you do the horse trip to the lake, take some fishing wire/ hook. You'll appreciate it when your eating fried freshly caught fish rather than fatty meat (a mongolian speciality!! hehe)

enjoy.

sarah and craig

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Ger-To-Ger doesn't seem to be listed on here, or is at least difficult to find, so I'll add my comments here.

My wife and I used Ger-To-Ger in July 2012. We opted for the most expensive tour - Kazakh Eagle Training in the far west. The trip promised to be amazing.

Unfortunately the stay with the Kazakh family was just a glorified home-stay, we did almost nothing to do with eagle training except dress-up and get photos taken with an eagle on our arms - something I can do 20 minutes out of Ulaanbaatar for $3.

The rural facilitator in Bayan-Olgii also seems to be lining his own pocket as our promised ger-camp stay turned into bunking in his own spare ger, our restaurant meal turned into eating with his family and our paid transport to the airport vanished altogether, among other things. It wasn't a terrible experience, but we could have gotten the same thing for an aweful lot less money by the time we paid all Ger-To-Ger's fees and the airfares to the far west.

We made a complaint to the Ger-To-Ger head office, which was ignored for six weeks. When we tried again to get their attention they basically abused us and tried to hide behind some non-existant complaints policy even though we'd provided everything they asked for. They've already admitted they know there is a problem but are apparently quite happy with it being there. Another traveler we met on Ger-To-Ger also had a seperate complaint and got more or less the same blunt response from them. We've heard numerous other anecdotes of problems with Ger-To-Ger as well.

I know we shouldn't be expecting a lot from tourism in Mongolia compared to the west, but the company is run by an American guy who made us pay $25 each to listen to him speal on about his own personal wealth of experience around the world running stuff like this, so he should know better.

My advice - give Ger-To-Ger a wide berth. You might get a good tour or you might ger shafted. If you have a problem, nobody will want to know. You're better going with the home-stay you hostel can organise or just getting out into the countryside yourself and meeting local people.

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We've been on two tours with Ger to Ger. The first one was to White lake and the second one to Rashaant area (The last emperor's quest).

The first one was nice and we didn't have any problems. Ger to ger will send you to the private camp called "Eco ger camp" right next to the lake. It is run by a mongolian couple which warmly welcomes you and tries to make your stay a really nice experience. It is actually thanks to them that it was such a nice trip. You don't have to go with Ger to Ger to stay in this camp. Just go by bus to Tsetserleg, there go to Fairland guesthouse and they can find a cheap driver for you. He will take you to the camp. You'll save a lot of money!

The second trip was unfortunatelly quite a dissapointment. It was presented as "horseback riding tour", but I wouldn't call it this way. First of all, prepare for waiting. A lot. There are just few hours of activities per day and the rest is your "freetime". There are two horseback rides per day, but it is one hour each.

We experienced some problems during our stay. Two horseback rides were simply ommitted without any particular reasons. Some of our rider guides act really unproffesionally. One of our friends fell off the horse, because the horse was simply not used to riders. I want to point out that she is an experienced rider. Another guide rider put as on wild horse as well, fortunately this didn't end up in an accident.

Another problem was that there were four of us but there were only three single beds. This happened two times during five nights, so two of us were forced to sleep on one single bed. We were not told this at all.

The company has a really weird way of a complaint process. First, you should complain to the family, next to the local facilitator and later in the office. The first two options are really useless, because no-one speaks even basic english. Therefore we went to office and wrote down a complaint. It usually takes a while to process the complaint so you need to wait few days. After few days, they agreed that they will refund us two cancelled horserides. The answer for the rest was that it is not their problem and they will not refund anything.

We went to the office again and talked to the manager name Zanjan Fromer. This was probably the worst part. Even we are used to dealing with businessmen because we work in business, this was unbelievable. He didn't really care about what we were saying. He kept saying the same all over again that it is not his problem, he called me "dude" (very professional business "addressing" indeed), saying "don't waste my time", etc. I couldn't believe his unproffesional behaviour. His point was that we should read their website, where there is apperantly somewhere written that these problems can happen. We were not told about this at all when we read the itinerary or when we asked questions about the tour in the office. Not only his point was irellevant, because it is their responsibility to inform us about the tour, but it is not even written anywhere on their website!

As a summary - I definitely wouldn't recommend this travel agency not only because it is quite expensive, many problems during just one tour but most of all the unbelievably unprofessional and rude way they dealt with us.

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There are nice people all over Mongolia.

Ger to Ger are no better at finding them for you then you will be on your own. it seems that all the latest reviews are turning negative particularly with relation to the head office and Zanjan the americal/mongolian who should know better.

Save yourself the dissapointment - they will make you hate Mongolians if you have to deal with them.

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I've been on some bad tours, but I've never felt like I had to complain to the company, but after my two trips with Ger to Ger I did complain, and asked for a refund which was also a first in all the trips I've every taken.The trip itself was horriblemostly because the families I stayed with (while ranging in being "nice" to not being so nice) all tried to take advantage of me (and all the other travelers, 7 total) that I talked to. No one had a good trip. This organization could be so good, but I had to fight with every family (4 families total) to do anything but sit in a Ger all day. It got to the point where I'd wake-up and lie in bed dreading the day because I knew I'd have to argue with the family to do anything. No one wants that on a vacation. They'd come up with any excuse (there's no horse, the horse is sick, the horse is at another ger) to not take you to the activities. If there's more than 1 of you, they'll say they only have one horse so you have to take turns. I think a lot of the problem is in the structure. The people who worked for Ger to Ger were not at all helpful. From the point of even booking my trip with them they were disorganized and out of contact.

The second tour (to a monastery) was just really misrepresented by Ger to Ger

I could really go on and on. I talked to a lot of travelers so I would be able to suggest a better tour. The best thing to do if you are more than 2 people is to hire a car and driver and a guide privately and make your own tour. The best tours I heard of were like this. Someone said they paid about $100 a day for that (50 for the guide, 50 for the driver, food, supplies, activities not included).

If that's too much really any tour set up through a group or hostel that has a guide who goes with you would be good. If there's a guide than there'd be some accountability, and I think you can find tours that will have a homestay. Almost everyone I talked to said one night of a homestay was enough.

I really can't recommend stronger NOT to go with Ger to Ger, everything was so frustrating. I will say though, that I went at the end of the season and I wondered if the families just got tired of doing the same thing over and over, but that is what you are paying for, and if they would have just done the 1--2 hour of activity, I would have been fine entertaining myself the rest of the day (no matter what prepare yourself for a lot of downtime).

If, you do not heed my advice, a few things would help for your trip.

-Get the activities written in Mongolian, so when you tell the family what you're supposed to do, they know which activity you're talking about.

-Know the Itinerary really well, and verify with the family each day what you should be doing. Verify with Ger to Ger beforehand that there will be a horse for everyone in your group, and a separate horse for luggage. Only once did I finally convince a nomad to go to the next ger by horse, but he strapped my bag and the girl who was with me's bag to my horse (which made for a horrible ride for me, and ruined the straps of my backpack) One other guy said they always made him wear his backpack. Everyone else said they weren't given the option and were always driven to the next ger in a car.

-be sure to get a contact number for Ger to Ger that you can call. Any time I'd ask to talk to Ger to Ger, the nomads said their phones didn't work, and I couldn't try myself since I didn't have a number.

This organization has been around for 7 years. I would have thought they'd be better than this.

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I have to echo the negative reviews above, though I tried to put our ger-to-ger experience behind us, because we loved our trip on the whole so much, this company is just not to be trusted in any way. We had many of the same issues as above, but in our case, we were on a 12 day trip with a guide who was clearly hired for his english not his experience as a guide. Basically, 6 days in, the guide got so ill we had to have him evacuated - but really, it was inevitable - in the height of summer he drank ~500ml of water per day, had us go 8 hours without food and walking non-stop, had flagrant diarhhea and vomiting, then passed out for 2 days. And he had forgotten his medical kit (thank goodness I had one - and good drugs) so WE had to arrange a russian jeep to evacuate us back to Tsetserleg (after we had missed 2 days of the trip with the prospect of a 30km walk to the next camp with an incapacitated guide who hadn't eaten for 3 days) - and when we go there, guess what? He was straight on the phone to head office to say that we were the ones who wanted to stop, that he was fine, and blah blah blah. Upon return to UB we were given the run around for days - the owner was a complete w*nker and just treated us (the paying customers) like dung on his shoe. To advertise as an eco tourism company with people at the heart of it is misleading and dangerous - honestly if we hadn't been competent, prepared clients, who knows what might have happened. You have been warned about Ger to Ger, but whatever you do GO TO MONGOLIA it was the trip of a lifetime.

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Don't go with Ger to Ger,

Let me start with this. I am a thrifty person and I felt I had no choice but to walk away from a $744 deposit for myself and wife.

Here is what transpired.

My partner and I came to our orientation (that lasted for 4 hours and I am not joking when I say you will learn a lot about the owner's resume and the history of GER TO GER but very little about what is likely more important to you - what you will eat, what are the shower and toilet situations etc.). The orientation was run by Zanjan the owner and founder.

My first feeling that Zanjan was a person whose trips/organization I did not wanted to be part of was when he recounted that he had felt that some past clients had faked true illnesses to be able to return to a hotel or they just liked arguing (his words not mine). He said that from now on if his clients said that they were sick that he was going to make them go to the hospital and that they had no choice and, he said "I am not a person you want to mess with." At that moment, he sounded more like a MMA fighter than a level-headed tour operator.

Then during the orientation, we were told that we would be doing an activity where we would imagine that we were in a real Ger. I thought that he was giving instructions and shortly we would be standing up, stepping out of the office and walking back into the office/GER and trying to put into practice his instructions. I found out that this was not the case when he described the way to sit in a GER so as not to offend. He said you should not sit open legged because that was gay. He then repeated it saying that it was "So gay". At that moment, I was trying to determine if there was any way that what he said was not inappropriate. He then looked at me and said I have asked you two times, I will only give you one more chance (my legs were open, I was not trying to be disrespectful). I was taken aback and said "What? Are you going to come over and break my legs? He did not respond.

After the orientation, I expressed to Zanjan alone that I found the way he used "gay" to describe why it was disrespectful to have your legs open was questionable. He told me that the orientation was a boot camp and that it was his job to give out tough love so that we best represented ourselves as ambassadors for his company with our GER families. He also told me about a situation where a possibly gay client had shown an interest in him and that he was no longer interested in being politically correct. I told him that many people and particularly gay people would find his use of the descriptor insensitive. He also said he was testing me to make sure I was a good representative of his organization.

The next day we went online and saw the numerous negative reviews of GER TO GER some of which referred to Zanjan's (and those who worked for him) insensitivity to his clients needs and concerns. We approached Zanjan that day to tell him that because of the reviews and our past interaction that we felt we would not be a good fit for his tour and would like to cancel the three separate tours we had signed up for.

He said he would not refund our deposit.

We asked what was his cancellation policy. He said we should go to the website to read it. I said he, as the owner, must know what it is. He told me again to read it and he must follow it. I told him I had read it and was confused because it spoke about what happens when you give less than 7 days notice but doesn't say what happens when you give more notice - two of our trips were happening 8 or more days later. He said he considered it all one collective trip because we booked our trips all at the same time (there were a few days gap between each of our trips). I told him of course he could see how the reading of the policy was not clear and he could have some flexibility on the situation - possibly return some of our deposit or we could go on his first trip and just cancel the second and third trips or something similar.

That was when Zanjan said we would have to write out on paper a formal request for all or part of our deposit but that we would have to have a better excuse than we felt uncomfortable with the way he had treated us at the orientation. We told him it was more than that (bad reviews, way he was treating me then, his being unaware of his own policies, our belief that we were giving enough notice for the other trips).

A number of times during this 10 minute discussion, he told us that we did not make an appointment and a 5 minute discussion was fine but he was busy and he did not want to discuss it any more. He told us, our choice was to either go on the trip (paying rest of the cost) or write out a request our deposit and not go on the trip "which would just be our loss".

Well we did not write out the request. We chose to lose our deposit but we think we dodged a huge bullet by choosing not to go with a tour organized by a belligerent, insensitive, aggressive person.

PS - we went to a few other tour operators and found out that they had very similar trips at a third of the cost and the operators of these tours were very warm and open to questions - even without an appointment!!! And when we told one operator that we were having difficulties with GER TO GER she rolled her eyes and said "We have heard many complaints and they charge a lot more for little."

Well we are one more complaint to add to the pile.

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