Which do people find to be more secluded/romantic (for a proposal). Being that i have never been to paris i am trying to get an idea of a good place to propose and after having done the searches in the forum and read the threads i have decided that either notre dame or the gardens will be the place. It will be towards the end of December, so i realize it will be cold, but i think it will still be ok. between the gardens and the outside of notre dame, which will be more secluded and romantic? It looks like notre dame has various plots of land around it that might work, but the gardens seems more designed to have small off the beaten path spaces here and there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I would especially appreciate any specific help regarding where in the gardens or at notre dame is the most secluded or least crowded and when. Thanks in advance.