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1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

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1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

Using a flexi pass with a 60+ and 15 year old plus self. What is the difference between 1st class and standard on britrail pass?

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1. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

Second class on British and european trains are better value and comfortable.

Information on train passes www.seat61.com

British train schedules www.nationalrail.co.uk

Edited: 1:19 am, May 16, 2012
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2. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

It sounds like a simple question, but the UK rail system is so large and so complicated that it isn't.

First class means a bigger seat than standard class on the same train. However, trains (and the service level) vary enormously by route. On a commuter service First class is barely any better than standard class - but on some (no all) long distance services the First class service includes at seat service of complimentary food and drink.

If you tell us more about your proposed itinerary we can advise more - worth mentioning that this may also influence whether the pass is best option for you.

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3. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

Have a look at the websites of the train operating companies for the routes you are considering taking.

Standard carriages usually have 2-2 seating but in First it will proabably be 1-2. There is more pitch between rows in F; many train companies offer free WiFi in First and Standard, some in First only.

Some operators allow First pax lounge access at some stations, rather nice if you have time to spare. Many have free food and drink service on board, some offer coupons to use in the buffet car.

I travelled from London to Edinburgh in F a couple of months ago, and a very pleasant journey it was. Delicious breakfast on the way out (nice to have vegetarian options), light meal in the afternoon with frequent trolley service of drinks and snacks.

If there isn't a massive difference in the prices of the pass and you want a bit of spoiling on your holiday then buy the pass for First and enjoy the experience.

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4. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

Thank you. We are travelling from Manchester airport to York, York to London return and London to Ruaban in Wales, all longish trips. It is comfort rather than anything else I think - can cope without drinks and snacks, just want to have a good seat with a view and arrive in reasonable shape!

Cheers

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5. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

Trains: Manchester airport to York www.northenrail.org

York to London www.eastcoast.co.uk

London to Chester www.virgintrains,co.uk

Chester to Wrexham www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk

Bus Wrexham to Ruaban www.bryn-melyn.co.uk

Edited: 4:58 am, May 16, 2012
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6. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

Manchester Airport to York is under two hours. First class on TransPennineExpress trains is a slightly bigger seat - nothing else

York to London is two hours on the non-stop services (a few minutes more if the train makes additional stops). First class is a distinctly better seat, plus complimentary food and drink (on weekdays).

London to Ruabon is not direct. You have two hours on the Virgin train to Chester - where First class is a distinctly better seat, plus complimentary food and drink (on weekdays). Then a short hop on the local ArrivaTrainsWales services to Ruabon, First class might not be available on that local service.

They're not my definition of long train trips - standard class is perfectly comfortable for two hour journeys.

Have you already purchased a rail pass? Those journeys would probably be cheaper using "advance" fares if you have fixed travel dates.

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7. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

Transpennine run from Manchester Airport to York, not Northern - whose trains have no first class accommodation anyway

http://www.tpexpress.co.uk/

Arriva Trains Wales have no first class either - other than on one train which doesn't stop in Wrexham

It would also be an idea to check that the pass will actually save you money over point to point tickets

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8. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

< We are travelling from Manchester airport to York, York to London return and London to Ruaban in Wales >

That doesn't make sense, I'm assuming "London to Ruaban" is actually "York to Ruabon" - the logical routing would be Manchester-York-London-Ruabon-Manchester. The only reason you would need to return to York is if you are doing a day trip to London or are intending spending two separate periods in York

But based on what you have said a pass is the wrong choice for you as you don't need the flexibility which is the main (some say only) advantage of such.

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9. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

You can also travel from London to Ruabon via Birmingham (Virgin) and Shrewsbury (Arriva Trains Wales). Through train from Birmingham to Ruabon every 2 hours

There is also one through train a day from London to Wrexham operated by Virgin.

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10. Re: 1st class or standard train travel on Britrail pass

>Trains: Manchester airport to York www.northenrail.org<

No - it's Trans Pennine Express, but you can get a Northern Rail service from the Airport to Manchester Piccadilly to connect with TP Express service.

>Bus Wrexham to Ruaban www.bryn-melyn.co.uk<

No - there is a railway station in Ruabon.