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The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

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Tallahassee Florida
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The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

Thank you all for lot of help for my end of June trip.

This is what it looks like:

June 22 saturday arriving to San Francisco around noon

will stay at Hilton Embassy Suites at waterfront for 1 night,should stay one more night ,but can not fit it in,will see probably China town.

Next day renting van and heading to Wuksachi lodge,spend 1 night there.Next day 11 miles hike to Bearpaw High Sierra camp spending 2 nights.

On the day of hike down we will leave early and spend night at Fresno Hilton Homewood.

Next day going to Tuolumne Meadows and will spend 2 nights

3.day we will hike to Vogelsang HSC and than to Merced Lake HSC after that,when it will get slightly rough-spending night possibly at

LYV and day after that hike Half Dome(would like to fit in Clouds rest but it may be overdoing it.)

Hike out and spend the night possibly Curry Village or somewhere west closer to San Francisco,because next day we will be flying home at 11PM.

Still did not figure how to transport car from Tuolumne Meadows to the valey.And also need to apply for wilderness permit for LYV and Half Dome included.

Somebody suggested before ,that I do not need the permit if I have High Sierra camps and I need to exit somewhere and I should just pick up Half Dome permit included in my HSC.But what about the night at LYV?

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1. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

Here is the thread with the information we researched about High Sierra Camp + Wilderness Permit tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g61000-i315-k59345…

You *must* have a Wilderness Permit to camp in the backcountry after your HSC nights. Submit your application for the options we described on that thread. I think you'll get one of them.

When you pick up your reserved permit, ask for Half Dome hiking permits to be added to your Wilderness Permit. You will not need Half Dome reservations; those are available to anyone hiking on your route.

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We can continue the discussion about getting your group reunited with your van on your other thread: tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g61000-i315-k60003…

If you can get reservations in Curry Village, that would be fine. Or you could stay in the backpacker campground in Yosemite Valley without needing a campsite reservation.

It's about 4+ hours from Yosemite to SFO. I'm assuming you'd like to arrive around 9 pm so you can drop off your rental van. Allowing time for dinner, you could leave Yosemite Valley or Tuolumne Meadows around 3 pm. Leaving by 2 pm might make you happier.

Tallahassee Florida
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2. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

This is what I got at another forum yosemitenews.info/forum/read.php…

Edited: 7:38 pm, January 03, 2013
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3. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

Just to be clear, you cannot add more people to your HSC reservation. If you 'won' the lottery for 8 people, then that's all you can bring. The other people will have to camp in tents or stay home.

I still think that requesting a Lyell Canyon permit has a higher likelihood of being granted as there are 24 permits available. Rafferty Creek has only 12. And you won't really be using this permit for the first two nights anyway, so the direction doesn't matter. You just need a permit that allows you to get a Half Dome permit, and either one of those will work.

In: Lyell Canyon Out: Happy Isles

In: Rafferty Creek Out: Happy Isles

Tallahassee Florida
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4. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

I already called office and they added 2 more people I just had to change the dates,so this is taking care of.

About the permit,this is what i was exactly thinking and maybe add Ten Lakes as the third option,which has quota 24.

I am not sure about Happy isles -Illuete which has quota only 8(i think)

So for exit I would think LYV-Happy Isles,which has quota 12 if that matters,I am not sure.

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5. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

I don't think a Ten Lakes hiker can add Half Dome. That trailhead is miles from Tuolumne Meadows and the hike goes in the absolute opposite direction. (But it's a fabulous hike, if you're ever back in the area.)

" If you get a wilderness permit for a backpacking itinerary that reasonably includes Half Dome, you do not need to separately apply for a Half Dome permit, but can get Half Dome permits when you pick up your wilderness permit. This year, there is a $5/person charge. " nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wildpermits.htm

Happy Isles to Illilouette means that you must start your hike from Happy Isles and has a reservable quota of 6. You are starting from Tuolumne Meadows.

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I think you're confused about the quota system. No one cares how many hikers exit from any particular trail on any particular day. The quota applies to how many hikers begin a hike on a particular trail. The Wilderness Permit asks for your Entry Trailhead and your Exit Trailhead, but the only one that really matters is the Entry. If you have a problem during a backpacking trip, you are allowed to exit via any trailhead on any day even if it's not part of your original plan. The rangers just want to know your general plans.

In your case, you request a Wilderness Permit for your entry day, but you don't really have to show the permit or use it until Day 3 of your wilderness experience. At that point, you should be on a trail that logically follows the entry -> exit that was planned.

Someone else might request a permit that looks identical to yours: entry at Lyell Canyon and exit at Happy Isles. But their trip is 9 days including fishing, a detour to Ireland Lake, time at Bernice Lake, a detour to Washburn Lake, an ascent of Half Dome, and finally exiting at Happy Isles. Their permit will allow them to do all that.

If a person with a permit for Lyell Canyon -> Happy Isles is found backpacking near Hetch Hetchy, he is probably going to be escorted out of the backcountry and possibly receive a fine. His permit does not allow him to be in that area.

Tallahassee Florida
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6. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

I see,I was just worry about that exit quota,that I may not get the permit because of that.Also when I was looking on the map,there is hike down on You Tube -runners fromTen.lakes run to Clouds rest and from there to Half Dome .Looks on the map as the shortest distance to the valley.But I definitely do not want anything where I could not get Half Dome.

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7. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

There is no exit quota.

It's possible that 100 hikers from various trailheads all choose to use a particular exit on one day, and then there are just four hikers using that exit the next day. No one cares.

Call the Wilderness Office and chat with them directly. Maybe they'd let you use a Ten Lakes permit.

Since you're going to be staying in Tuolumne Meadows before your hike, put in for Lyell Canyon two different days. Here is my suggestion from last month:

"I am suggesting that your first choice could be either Rafferty (as the ranger suggested to you) or Lyell Canyon for an entry date of June 29. Put the other one as your second choice.

For your 3rd choice, I think I'd put Lyell Canyon with an entry date of June 28. If this is the permit you get, be sure to pick it up by 10 am on June 28th."

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8. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

I want to be sure you notice the new rules for Half Dome permits with Wilderness Permit applications.

>> Reservations for Wilderness Permit & Half Dome Permits

The application process for wilderness permit reservations is unchanged. However, be sure to specify when making a reservation that you want Half Dome permits. If Half Dome permits are available and Half Dome is reasonably part of your itinerary, you will receive a reservation that includes them. Half Dome permits received in this way will be valid for all dates your wilderness permit is valid. <<

and >> The cost for Half Dome permits is $8 per person <<

nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/hdwildpermits.htm

Tallahassee Florida
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9. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

Pacific,where would you put including Half Dome?

nps.gov/yose/…wildpermitform.pdf

Edited: 7:12 pm, January 04, 2013
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10. Re: The final itinerary needs some tune up,or is it good to go?

I wondered about that very question! Maybe include it on the 'guide service' line since there is space available.

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