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Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

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montreal, quebec
posts: 63
Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

Hello

We are trying to decide on an apartment for a week in August. Debating wether to be up the hill a bit ( rue Col du Caire) with A/C and a pool or in the vielle ville closer to the beach, cafés, boulangeries etc. with out A/C except for one nice apartment.

What would be your thoughts on the location and if A/C is needed in August.

Thanks

Nice
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1. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

when you say rue Col du Caire do you mean chemin col de caire in villefranche or ave du caire in Nice ?

montreal, quebec
posts: 63
2. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

Thanks

It is Chemin Col de Caire in Villefranche.

Or directly on Promenade des Marinières, great view, but smaller, no A\C nor pool.

W are a family with 2 teenage boys.

Nice
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3. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

Chemin Col de Caire in Villefranche is near the moyenne corniche so high up above the old town/beach/amenities

It will be pretty steep to very steep , roads zig zag about with some blind corners and no pavements/sidewalks for pedestrians in parts so caution required when walking there - probably about a kilometer in distance walking to the beach , much shorter by parachute Probably magnificent views over the bay

Promenade des Marinières - right beside the sea, close to trains station

folk in this area don't consider A/C

a necessity but some people like it or consider it essential

it depends a lot on how the house has been built and proper control of shutters etc . usually people have portable fans if they have no a/c

State College...
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4. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

There are many advantages to being in the heart of the old village. It's lovely to pop out in the morning to the patisserie to bring croissants and pain au chocolate back to the apartment for breakfast on your little balcony, enjoying the view of the village coming to life and also a view of the sea. Three small grocery stores are all within a few minute's easy walk as well as a local butcher and a pharmacy. Cafe's and restaurants are steps away and the beach an easy 5-10 minute walk along the seafront. It could be the perfect spot for teenagers as they could safely pop down to the beach on their own. A car is not necessary because there are buses that take you easily and quickly to Nice or Monaco and there is a train station for other journeys situated just at the end of the village overlooking the beach. WE have spent a good deal of time in the village so have personal experience. You may want too have a look at www.villefrancherentals.com

New York, New York
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reviews: 16
5. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

I would not base my stay on Air Conditioning. We didn't have AC in September but opened all doors and windows and had a cool breeze.

We stayed in the Residence L'Ange Gardien overlooking and 7 minute walk to Plage des Marinières. In the evening you can also follow the path to the beach which leads to the old town for dinner, etc. There was also a pool there (although we didn't use it and just walked to the beach each day.)

We had a car as well and did drive down a couple of times (however in August I would imagine you would drive around for 3 hours before finding a parking spot.)

Note that Residence L'Ange Gardien is also a hotel and online it does not have good reviews. However, we rented an apartment from the owners from Homelidays and it was gorgeous and beautiful and beyond expectations.

uk
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6. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

Forget the AC - the real issue is the climb.

4 years ago we rented a villa (not that far) up the hill which had great views, pool - trouble was, the walk down and up was SO steep that it required several stops going up, and what would have taken 5 mins on the level took 15-20 mins and we arrived dripping with sweat!

Next year we rented a lovely place right by the waterfront, and loved being able to pop out to the bakery, shops, restaurants knowing that getting home was a short easy, walk.

Last year (2010) we rehired the villa up the hill as we needed a bigger place, but most people said the walk was severe and they dreaded it at the end of the evening meal in the old town, so we vowed never to do it again and have just booked by the waterfront.

If you're all fit and like steep walking it does get easier on day 6 or 7, and we also got some taxis from the waterfront a few times.

Your call really!

Portland, Oregon
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7. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

Bonjour. I so agree that an apartment in the vielle ville is the best idea. We spent a week here recently in a fine apartment with a magnificent view but it was up a steep hill and even though it was only a 5-8 minute walk from the main avenue (and another 5 minutes to the beach) we found ourselves not going out in the evenings as often as we would have if we were in the older, more charming part of the village. The exercise was great but the walk was uncomfortable and made even more so if we had packages to bring "home". We did not have a car and felt one was not necessary as the bus system is so reasonable and very convenient.

London, UK
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8. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

We have a flat in the old town with no aircon. It has three foot thick walls and gets not a blink of sun but is so hot in August that we advise people not to rent it.

Ange Gardienne is not a hotel. It is a collection of tiny flats which are more like cupboards. They are each privately owned so some are well maintained and some are not. A 'five person 26 sq mtr' (roughly 16 x 16 ft) 'one bedroom apartment' in August costs 1,580 euro. They do have a very overcrowded pool but for the same money you could get a flat in the centre of Villefranche of at least three times the size.

Nice
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9. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

Bob - your flat must be really anomalous - I don't know anyone who has had the same issues with their old houses/flats being too warm in summer

we have lived in 6 houses in this area -a modern ground floor of a villa in valbonne, a flat in safranier old antibes , 2 fishermens' cottages on Antibes ramparts, a coach house in slightly more modern Antibes [1890-ish] , and a belle epoque flat in Nice

All of the old houses have had extra thick walls and have been cool or even chilly enough for a cardigan in summer - and all but one are in direct sun

The modern house was not as cool in summer but was manageable

It is important to use shutters and windows properly to get the air moving and fans can be useful at night but a/c has never been necessary.

London, UK
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10. Re: Apartment a bit up the hill or in the vieille ville?

Hello Selkie,

Hope all well with you. When ambient shade temperature is in the high twenties C day after day, everywhere without a mechanical system of cooling will achieve that temperature in due course. We have a ground floor flat which, as heat rises, will be the coolest in the building. This feels cool compared to being in the sun but it is still 26C or so in August. Most people used to sleeping in temps of around or below 20, the norm in summer in the UK, find this very uncomfortable for sleeping. The body gradually adapts to temperature, as shown in London today when 10C after a very cold period feels very comfortable and people who live in hot climates can feel chilly when the temp drops to 25 or so.

Older people, such as me, do not deal well with great heat and, although I enjoy being out in the air when it is 25 or so, I like to sleep in a cool room, so prefer the UK or the Alps in July/August. I am prepared to make a substantial wager that any building on the Cote D'Azur without aircon will be in the mid to high twenties on an August evening. I know that most British people find this very uncomfortable and that is why, with the exception of some friends from Singapore, I advise people against renting our flat in August.

All the best,

Bob