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Mexico Insurance and Credit Card Coverages REVISED |
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I am planning a trip to Cabo San Lucas and need to rent a car. This forum has been helpful, but never completely answered my questions about renting cars in Mexico. As a consequence, I did lots of research about Mexico's car insurance policies and coverage from USA credit cards. This is my understanding. In Mexico, although car insurance is optional, rental car companies will not rent a car to you until you prove you are capable of paying for any damages "before" you rent the car. This assurance often involves purchasing daily insurance with the car rental. If there is a deductible on the insurance coverage you have chosen, the rental car company may place a hold on your card up to the deductible amount (making that amount unavailable for purchases during your vacation). Note that rental car companies use a variety of terms for their coverage but essentially they fall into these four categories: (1) Personal Liability, which covers 3rd party damages, including medical costs or other claims/lawsuits against you, (2) "Partial" Loss Damage Waiver (LDW) otherwise known as Collision Damage Waiver (CDW), which includes damages and theft to the rental unit, less a deductible of 10% or 20%, (3) Personal Accident Insurance (PAI) which covers medical costs for the renter and passengers, but not 3rd parties (since that is covered under Liability), and (4) "Complete" LDW/CDW which simply eliminates the deductible from the partial LDW/CDW. Okay, now for credit card rental car insurance coverage. Some people say they are invalid in Mexico, some say they are not. I have a platinum Visa card through my credit union and I spoke directly with Visa (on a few occasions) to clarify things. I also received a printed copy of the "Auto Rental Collision Damage Waiver Program," which I plan on bringing with me to Mexico to prove I have certain coverage. I found a link to details of coverage here: It basically says it covers 100% of the damages to the rental vehicle (paid for with the credit card). Note there is no deductible! It also says that the purchase of any LDW/CDW coverage voids the Visa coverage! I figured it is because the purchased coverage simply becomes first priority over the Visa coverage. I then asked a Visa specialist if Visa would cover the owed deductible if I purchased LDW/CDW insurance through the rental car company. My thinking was at least now they would only have to cover the deductible and not 100% of the damages. The response was "No." Purchase of any LDW/CDW insurance eliminates all benefits from the program! Here are some key things the Visa coverage DOES NOT include: Injury of anyone inside or outside of the vehicle, Personal liability (meaning damages to a 3rd party), coverage within Israel, Jamaica, or Ireland (so yes it is valid in Mexico). So what does this mean? If you want to use your credit card coverage, you will still need to purchase 3rd party liability insurance to cover any damages you may have to someone else (injury, vehicle or other property). This is also important because this proves to the police that you can pay for someone else's damages. If you don't have this coverage, they may detain you until you can prove you are not responsible or you can pay for the damages. If you are concerned about injuries to you and your passengers, you will also want to buy PAI. My personal opinion is to either use your credit card coverage for LDW/CDW or buy complete LDW/CDW. The reason is because partial LDW/CDW has a very high deductible and with the credit card coverage you have no deductibles (and it includes theft of the vehicle). If you think you won't sleep well at night because you are worried about eventually having to prove to someone in Mexico that your Visa provides sufficient LDW/CDW coverage, go ahead and buy complete LDW/CDW coverage. This will cost you a pretty penny though and sometimes will double or triple your rental car costs. For me, I just plan on buying 3rd party liability coverage with use of my Visa for 100% LDW/CDW coverage. I will rely on my family health plan instead of the PAI for personal injury. Here is a summary of the different insurance plans I found in Cabo San Lucas: National Car Personal Liability is not sold separately – you must purchase "partial" LDW/CDW coverage at $11 a day, which includes damage on third parties (including collision and medical) as well as damage and theft to the rental unit. The deductible for partial coverage ranges from $1,500 to $4,000, depending on the vehicle. That means there is no way to use your credit card coverage with National, since the liability coverage also includes LDW/CDW, which voids your credit card coverage! The main drawback here is that your credit card would have covered 100% of the vehicle damages/theft, where now you still have to pay a significant deductible. Partial LDW/CDW and PAI can be purchased together for $15 a day or you can purchase "complete" LDW/CDW with PAI for $22 a day, which eliminates the deductible. Although it is a drag they don’t offer 3rd party liability by itself, their total coverage of $22 is at least somewhat reasonable. AVIS Avis is one of the only companies that "includes" 3rd party liability insurance, which is relatively small - up to MXN 350,000 (approximately $33,000 USD). Unfortunately their rental rates are also typically higher. In this case, most credit cards will cover 100% of all other damages "to the vehicle" (including theft). Medical expenses to the renter and passengers are not covered, however. For that coverage, you need to buy PAI for $4 a day. If you and your passengers are on a health plan, this probably isn’t a concern for you. Note that 3rd party health costs are covered in the liability insurance. If you want additional liability insurance up to MXN 5,000,000 (approximately $470,000 USD), it will cost you an additional $11 a day. Partial LDW/CDW ranges from $14 to $21 a day with a deductible ranging from $1,000 to $3,000, depending on the car. Complete LDW/CDW will run between $20 and $27 a day, depending on the vehicle. Thrifty Third party liability is offered for $11 a day and includes coverage up to MXN 950,000 (about $90k USD). Partial LDW/CDW is offered at $24 a day with a 10% deductible (on vehicle value) for accidents and a 20% deductible on total loss or theft. Personal accident insurance (PAI) is $4 a day and covers up to MXN 200,000 per event (about $19,000). Complete LDW/CDW costs $30 a day. Evidently Thrifty requires you to purchase 3rd party liability if you do not purchase the partial or complete LDW/CDW, which leads me to believe their LDW/CDW may include 3rd party liability, but I cannot confirm that. Advantage I could not determine the cost of 3rd party liability – I have to call the Mexico office and cannot get through with their (624)146-0700 office number. Partial LDW/CDW is $11 a day and covers the costs of theft and accident, less a deductible ranging from $1,500 to $4,000. Personal Accident Insurance (PAI) is $4 a day and covers medical costs to the renter and passengers only – up to $9,000 (per event?). Complete LDW/CDW does not eliminate the deductible for theft and costs an extra $7 a day ($18 total). So CDW + PAI + EPC is $22 a day, but you would still have to pay a deductible in the event of theft. Also, this does not cover the most important thing - 3rd party liability. Payless Could also not determine if Payless offered any coverage for 3rd party liability since I cannot dial internationally. Their office number is 011 52 624 1465290, if anyone can help here. This may also only be offered at the counter in Mexico. They do offer partial LDW/CDW at $14 a day with a deductible of 10% of vehicle's value. For complete CDW/LDW, it will cost you $23 a day. PAI is an additional $3 a day. At Payless, if you cannot provide proof of insurance coverage, you must pay for the partial CDW. Dollar For most Dollar insurance coverage, you need to inquire at the counter. The only stated coverage is Partial LDW/CDW, which ranges from $14 a day to $17 a day, depending on vehicle type. It has a 10% deductible on damage on 20% deductible on theft. I didn't look at some of the other renters, such as Hertz, because they were way more expensive at the time of my quotes. If anyone else has something to contribute based on personal experiences, please let me know! Also, if you can find out the liability coverage costs for Advantage, Payless, or Dollar, please report it. Thanks! |
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Jason850- JCL has done a great job reseaching the mexican car insurance issue. YM is just expressing his opinion based on many years of experience (an opinion which is shared by many) and it is very unfair to suggest that this is motivated by kickbacks. The standard mexican liability insurance required by law is at a very low level of coverage, I believe about US$30,000 and Mexican courts have been lifting the settlement bar lately. In addition will your credit card cover towing and legal representation? Sitting in a Mexican jail where everyone speaks only Spanish and there is a civil law presumption of guilt can be a poor way to spend your vacation. For some of us the price of not worrying is worth it. | ||||||
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Kickbacks? Did you not see what Jims screen name is? Well if you missed it, it is Yacht Merchant and I highly doubt that he would care about "a few pesos" he might get from one of those companies. I think suggesting someone might be taking kickbacks holds no merit and quite frankly is disrespectful. Like I said before I am not going to worry about this at all on my vacation for my Blood Alcohol content will be a little high to be operating any rented vehicals. No worries | ||||||
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jason, i was ask to be a "local expert". i get nothing for the time i spend doing this, i get nothing from any company in Cabo or anywhere else. I do nicely for myself and wouldnt take if it was offered. So maybe for me a "few pesos" is more than a "few pesos" for others. all i know is i have spent more than a few days in the Baja and have seen and learned a lot over these many years. It is my priveledge to express my opinion as you are entitled to yours and i always appretiate all of the input from forum users, but to suggest that my post are for some profit or personal benefit is insulting and out of line. Everyone here is trying to share whatever information or experiences they have. Take from it what you will. regards.... jim | ||||||
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"Yea, what YM said", says Parman while looking for a rope. | ||||||
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Jayson, You're way out of line here - if you feel so strongly about the mexican tourist resorts - I suggest that you do not vacation there - it is impossible to have a good time while you constantly suspect everyone of being 'out to get you'. JCL, great information - in depth research. YM, thanks for sharing your opinion on this and many other subjects to help us uninformed travellers have the best opportunity for enjoyment. | ||||||
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barclay, did YM give you a kickback for saying that? LOL Here we go again!!!!!!!! | ||||||
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On vacation I do not like the constant selling of anything and everything when I step out of the terminal, the contant assumption that a large tip is due, the never ending feeling that someone is trying to take advantage of me. Perfect example, as part of a hotel in Cancun we had "free" golf at the local golf course. The free golf ended up costing 55 dollars after the cart fee, the caddy that came with the golf cart, the taxes and some Country fee. That is what I am talking about. That similar experience is more common than not when I go to Mexico resort towns. The name Yachtmerchant implies that Jim has a job that involves a boat. I'm sure he does it for profit unlike his help on this site. I am not saying his intentions are not honorable I am just weary. | ||||||
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I agree, implying there are kickbacks to Yachtmerchant is harsh and uncalled for. Yachtmerchant is an asset to this message board and he is sacrificing his personal time to help other people out. He regularly responds to a variety of posts, not just the ones related to Mexican insurance. It's a different world in Mexico and the bottomline is Yactmerchant has firsthand experience with Advantage and it has been positive. He also knows Mexican insurance is going to be valid in the event of an accident. He doesn't have firsthand experience to prove credit card insurance will always be valid. That doesn't mean it is not, he just doesn't want to claim it always is. Some people feel comfortable using their credit cards for the vehicle and some do not. Yachtmerchant's opinion is to play it safe and buy full coverage. There is nothing wrong with hearing two sides of a story and then coming to your own conclusion. Please note that some of the more basic credit cards don't even provide the LDW/CDW insurance, so contact your bank and confirm coverage before you make any assumptions! Keep up the good work Yactmerchant. | ||||||
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Jason, I will speak my peace and then i am done with this. When you travel to a country whos people live in poverty and do not enjoy most of the conveniences folks like me and you take for granted you can be assured that they are going to do whatever they can to take care of their families. wealthy tourist come and spend money and they want a part of the action. If it werent for tourist buying their goods they would not exist to begin with. I have traveled the world and i can tell you it is the same wherever these conditions prevail. I like you do not particularly enjoy being assaulted by people hawking stuff but unlike you i do understand and impathize with their situation and i have found that a simple :"no thank you" works well. these people arent on the "take" for the most part, or at least no more so than the snakeoil peddlers here in the U.S. they are trying to make a living, god forbid it interfere with your holiday. Dont come to Cabo. Go to Wyoming or where ever but it is precisely your type of attitude that is unwanted in a place like Cabo. I feel sorry for some one who is obviously educated but is so suspicious of everything and everybody. This is so contrary to everything that is Baja that i am seriously considering reccommending that people stay away from this place so i dont have to hear the whining of elitist paranoids. Frankly you have no concept of how very little i care of what you think of me or my opinion. I have been traversing Baja for more than 30 years and i intend on doing it until im room temperature, and i assure i dont need a dime from anyone to do it, and do it in style and hopefully grace. I realize this sounds harsh, and it was meant to sound that way because as i said before, this is a forum where folks share opinions and this is mine. Buena Suerta...... jim | ||||||
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YEAH YM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for all the help and information you give to those of us who appreciate the time you have taken to make our trips more enjoyable. Why would someone have those feelings about a country spend the time and money to go somewhere they are going to be so unhappy and are weary of before they even get there? Leave it for those of us that love the time we get to spend with the wonderful people of that country. | ||||||
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